Rico is inmiddels zo gevestigd in de Nederlandse Hip Hop scene dat hij geen introductie meer nodig heeft.
Niet alleen solo, maar ook samen met Sticks, Opgezwolle en Fakkelbrigade heeft hij legendarische albums op zijn naam staan.
In deze aflevering van NEW VIBES ONLY hebben we het met Rico over zijn album “Rated R”. 💿🎵
Wil je weten hoe dit album tot stand is gekomen in samenwerking met producer Guan?
Het verhaal horen achter zijn bijna beef met Method Man of hoe hij Sticks heeft leren rappen? 📲
Check dan nu deze aflevering en heel veel luisterplezier!
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In NEW VIBES ONLY praat Mario Brouwer met artiesten over hun pas uitgebrachte project. Kom meer te weten over de muziek en de creatieve processen. Hoe zijn bepaalde samenwerkingen tot stand gekomen en waarom zeggen ze bepaalde dingen in hun tracks?
#NEWVIBESONLY #RICO #RATEDR
Rico is inmiddels zo gevestigd in de Nederlandse Hip Hop scene dat hij geen introductie meer nodig heeft.
Niet alleen solo, maar ook samen met Sticks, Opgezwolle en Fakkelbrigade heeft hij legendarische albums op zijn naam staan.
In deze aflevering van NEW VIBES ONLY hebben we het met Rico over zijn album “Rated R”. 💿🎵
Wil je weten hoe dit album tot stand is gekomen in samenwerking met producer Guan?
Het verhaal horen achter zijn bijna beef met Method Man of hoe hij Sticks heeft leren rappen? 📲
Check dan nu deze aflevering en heel veel luisterplezier!
Powered by @zonnebrillencom
In NEW VIBES ONLY praat Mario Brouwer met artiesten over hun pas uitgebrachte project. Kom meer te weten over de muziek en de creatieve processen. Hoe zijn bepaalde samenwerkingen tot stand gekomen en waarom zeggen ze bepaalde dingen in hun tracks?
#NEWVIBESONLY #RICO #RATEDR
Welcome to New Fibers. Only Today I'm with Rico and we're going to have his album Red it Art. Rico, you've dropped a great album again called Red it Art. If I'm right, you released your previous album about seven years ago.
Speaker 3:Yes, seven years ago, IRE was released with ART. That's more reggae, reggae-mine, reggae-beats, and this is just a great hip-hop.
Speaker 1:you know, but why did you put it in between?
Speaker 3:Of course, I didn't put it in between. We also dropped it in with Sticks 2018, I think we did a whole tour with Sticks and I, but musically I didn't have the new input I wanted to write about and last year the fire started to burn and I started to hit it with Gooham.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's called Red it Art. I think it's a bit like it's about how people rate their films.
Speaker 3:That's literally the title Red it Art. But for me it's about the freedom I don't need any more permission from my idols or from others that I can do my own thing. That doesn't mean I'm not independent on a label. I'm more free from within. I don't feel like I'm being caught anymore. That's where the title came from, and also Red it Art, rico R. That really hit it. It's just a bit of a double-edged sword. Exactly.
Speaker 1:What you're saying on this side you're not going to. I don't want to say all sides, but you do notice that you don't like one sound. You just do what you like.
Speaker 3:Exactly. He sent me a lot of beats every time and that's where I pick up a few of them that I just feel. And well, in general it's all about hip-hop. We even had tracks with that drum and bass sound and we also recorded reggae tracks, but in the end it didn't fit on the whole track and this track became the one. This is just right with the vibe and sound, but I get what you mean. Sometimes you have more of those hip-hop bangers, the harder tracks, and you do something laid-back. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1:How many tracks did you record? The most expensive process?
Speaker 3:I think about 13,. I think towards the 20th. It was like. I can tell you that the way I worked was very different from the previous track with Sticks by Ism. We went to the studio in the morning with your Cubus and then we had a cup of coffee and then we started with nothing. You know, that's when Cubus beats. We put them together and write, but I just sent them to each beat on this track. I was just going to build the whole track at home and then we talked here in this place with Beatbox and then I recorded four tracks at once in a week. It was just done by A to Z. It was very efficient work. You know, I had a thousand family members so I could just play four hours of free tracks in a week and then just hit four tracks, bang, and that was it. I had a lot of work done, so that worked out really well.
Speaker 1:This album is completely produced by Gewand. I don't know him myself. So who is Gewand and where does he come from?
Speaker 3:Goobang comes from Zwolle. The funny thing is when he was in high school he was at the release party of the fluid, the soundcheck dance. I came here at the faculty to meet the young people who were busy with rap. I started 8 years ago. He came back last year with Beats. He was already busy 8 years ago, but he was able to hear that there was a lot of improvement Last year. He was already pretty well grown. I heard the beat of Spielberg. I thought, shit, this is just broken. So he came with more beats. Then there was an album from 1 track.
Speaker 1:So it wasn't even meant to be an album, it was just one track. He just kept pushing.
Speaker 3:It was a standard story. He was 1 track and then 2, 3. He made an EP with 6 tracks, but then you're with 6. He made a big album. I think it's cool to have a total album. An EP is always like an album that isn't finished. I didn't have enough tracks so I dropped it.
Speaker 1:It's not hard enough for an album. I got 6 tracks and then it's an.
Speaker 3:EP. I'm a member of the album. I'm glad that I finally made it Last 2 albums were produced by only one producer. Yes, it's right, by Cubis, DMT and IRI. I like to work with one producer. I like to work with one producer because you get the sound. I like to work with one producer in the studio Instead of just getting beats and recording with someone else. I don't go into the process with one producer. That was also a great thing. I recorded tracks and the mix versions stopped in between.
Speaker 3:I was like what the sound and the tracks are all about. The podcast. I thought shit, I'm in the first position, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:I was like what the fuck? I listened to it and I was in a panic.
Speaker 1:Those extra things make creative impacts. It's a more listening story.
Speaker 3:It's not just about the beats, but it's a raw wire.
Speaker 1:About the production. You can choose one producer. You can make a whole album with that. Then you can make a whole world-wide album. Who would it?
Speaker 3:be the first one to come up is Timbaland. I think Timbaland is really brilliant. If you listen to a beat, you don't hear a lot of people, you just hear a lot of beats. At some point a lot of people have taken over that style. Timbaland is the ground for certain beats. I think it's cool that he makes beats that you can listen to but can really go out in the club. Most of the beats he takes are very good, but also in LIA he's very flexible.
Speaker 1:I think it's funny to say this. I see how that could be. You can hear the sounds and you can play the crazy flows.
Speaker 3:I would go back to the real raw, but not too hard, I see how I would fill that in. Maybe I'll give you a message Timbaland.
Speaker 1:In the song Hank. You have the story of Hank. You have various forms of racism. What happened inspired you?
Speaker 3:It started with the death of George Floyd. I was in the Black Movement. I looked at myself and saw how I was in the world of black men. I realized that I was much more than just changing my behaviour. I was shocked. I thought it's a kind of shock. You realize that you're doing it differently from what you're doing. You want to make the white people feel at ease. I used to call it that in the forest. I used to walk in the forest at 11 am on a Sunday morning. People would come to me and say good morning. I was very happy. I thought good morning. I wanted to make them feel at ease.
Speaker 1:I had the impression that they would think what is this?
Speaker 3:black man doing here? I was shocked too. I was with an old classmate in the forest. He told me that the black bird was being picked up by the police. What the fuck are you doing here? In the forest. I thought black people like that are not from nature. It's not that bad, but it's a feeling that's very threatening. I took all of that with me. I've been in a BMW for 5 years. I've been driving a BMW for 40-50 times. I didn't know how to control it.
Speaker 3:I'm driving Volvo now and I've been driving Volvo for 5 years. I'm not driving carefully or just in a BMW. It's all about the small things. I can call it an accident, but I don't call it an accident. You're just being judged for being a black man in a BMW. It can never be good. I heard it last time on the news of the M4C. My dad is a real rapist. He's a black man who lives in Paruba. He had to check the other line.
Speaker 1:He's angry because he's black, he's ashamed.
Speaker 3:He doesn't want to talk to you. He's going to lose you because he's got the power to hold you. He's doing it and he feels it. It's really strong. I would have been a bit harder, to be honest with myself, but I would have done it very well. I would have been a black man, my dad would have said what I'm just doing, what I'm black. It's beautiful. These are things that I'm aware of now. I'm aware of the whole racism.
Speaker 1:Did you become aware of the work in your music? This is something that has always been there, but do you have something like that? I've become a bit older. Now I might want to talk about it again.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's true, I might not have done that so quickly before, but also because I wasn't aware enough of what was happening in this world. And when I became aware of that I thought oh man, you want to work in your lyrics too, but in my own way. You know, I can explain it very difficult, Solving examples in my lyrics which are clear to me and hopefully for some people too. But it doesn't have to be all.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't have to be preachy or something. No, exactly.
Speaker 3:Not with a finger or something, so I just keep it open but my findings and my experience of bringing that whole thing together, I think it's nice to see.
Speaker 1:I think that many rappers want to talk about what they want to say, but that they might not dare to Because they think that maybe my audience has changed. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3:That's also what I've become a bit older, now that I've gotten more shit Like love you, though hey, this don't give a fuck. Henk was also at the release party yesterday. I still haven't made photos of what I had done before. I thought it's nice to be a kind of Think-Bilded person. He's the biggest Surinamese guy. He's a very nice guy, you know. Nothing's a quarter in the way, but I used it as a metaphor Because Henk is a super Dutch name, you know.
Speaker 3:I thought it was cool because then, Henk, you know Surinamese Matthew with the name Henk. And those contrast things.
Speaker 1:I think it's nice to use and adapt what did Henk think when he first started to track you? He?
Speaker 3:was like yeah, he's like cool, I beat hard. We didn't even talk about the track. I don't know if he Did. You realize that. Yes. I did. And what he thinks about it. We never talked about it. He's also a guy who, Look, I'm double-blooded and Henk is full-blooded, but he lives in a real white society, but I have no idea how he's in there. Something I want to check.
Speaker 1:In any case, it's cool that he's a dope guy.
Speaker 3:He's very dope and I thought he was a real guy.
Speaker 2:I'm a dope guy.
Speaker 1:In your track Kissen Rijth. You also talked about how rappers change their way of singing. Since you started to sing, you've changed a lot in the scene. I think you're one of the reasons why Dutch people have gone to next levels, if I may say so. But what was the moment when you were able to live as a musician?
Speaker 3:I think since 2003,. After the spring we've been performing almost weekly and then it was like a show, a show, a show, and if you keep performing weekly you'll get money. But before 2003, it wasn't like that. It was like a show, a show, a show, a show. But since 2003, it's been like that.
Speaker 1:Did you start to think that you can do something with it? That money generates money?
Speaker 3:No, not really, we really started from love. We wanted to make great music and when it all started you realize that you're getting a show and at the beginning you had to pay for it. You had to write us in KVK, otherwise you'd get a divorce and then the gas was going up and then you think you can live here.
Speaker 3:But it wasn't a starting point or a goal of us at least not for me, but at some point it happened and I thought it's nice. But it was like if you didn't have a show, you wouldn't have money. So I went to workshops next to it. I did it for 20 years until three years ago. I was really ready, you know, because you had a CKV, you know, cultural day at school. I had a dream. I had a dream that I came to school that there were 16 people in the class and they were all wearing their clothes. I told them I think you're just going to rap.
Speaker 1:But what do you know, normal?
Speaker 3:I'm usually like how annoying hard and I'm like shit man, I'm here, you know, I put on a beat and then they go rap. I'm just a little bit on that beat. I thought I really have to cover it.
Speaker 1:I like doing it, but at the moment it's really just for the money, and then I think that's where the college came from.
Speaker 3:Yes, a little later that was the college I was approached by the ex-director of Hedon to start this. He thought I was a good person. Because I think so? Because he knows that I can do workshops and that I can do it well with young people, and that's how I started it.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:I still do that with a lot of pleasure every week.
Speaker 1:Did you do any training for that? No, I didn't do any training for that.
Speaker 3:But after three years that I did this, I was able to do a training for a year for young people. But you actually learn that by yourself, you know, Because if you know yourself well, then you can coach and lead other young people well. But that was helpful. It was more for the certificate, you know, Not really a diploma. So a year, just one day a week to school, but for the rest no training.
Speaker 1:For the rest To come back to go to rappers. I'm curious what's your top five and what rappers do all the time?
Speaker 3:Well, anyway, sticks. Maybe I'm prejudiced, you know, because it's my mother, but I really think she's a complete MC, always a dope, always a point. I think Ty is also great All this time, which I feel just too poetic, you know, Sometimes it comes that I don't understand things, but you have it, it's difficult, but he's a really good rapper. Duvel Duvel, I think, is just really rough, really street, always bars that are just, you know, never difficult, just hard, and he just has a grueling voice, I think. I think he's also very dope, yes, also a kind of also always steady yes, and actually still Extince. You know, he's still a generation, just like Duvel, a generation that has been already working on us. You know he's also really the one who's been the part for the future rappers, so I think Big Ad is his Okay.
Speaker 3:It could be that I might have adapted something about a year or so, but it's just a bit of the mood where you are you know so?
Speaker 1:maybe you'll have a different list next week because you'll have to listen to D&D a little more.
Speaker 3:Yes, but for now this would be the top five.
Speaker 1:Well, I have to ask anyway, because, say, every generation is inspired by certain people you know, but who inspired you at that time?
Speaker 3:Yes, I think for me personally, especially American rappers. And then I would look at my favorite rappers from that time. I think Redman, I really think Redman is very dope.
Speaker 3:Keith Murray Corrupt from Corrupt Dance you know, Corrupt is also someone who, for example, is playing with words, you know Because at the time it was just normal that you just spit, and it seems like now you always have to say something in a very deep way. You know, but at the time it was just raw shit and I really thought that was dope, and Redman also always did that. So that is a big inspiration for me.
Speaker 1:I hear that too. When you say Redman, he always has those crazy lines.
Speaker 3:Yes, I love it, it's very recognizable, but still crazy and you know that too. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:so I think that inspiration is also a big part of that 43 quarantine tests Can't say I didn't learn anything In the course of the rabbit hole, the freckle grove. Even my dealers said Call them boy, watch out. Today I put my quets on A touchable Scarface. Get up, boys, hepple up, hepple up to lose To win trust. It's a bit of a crisis inside With my girlfriend. I'm heavy in the red Hussie Ferris in the neighborhood A very cold shower Sting to red. Now I'm not drinking smoke.
Speaker 1:Is the air held, the one I've set too low, red on the street, but I can't stay hanging In the cold. The cold is too much to do. I'm getting energy and now it's good. It's good and now it's good. In your track 43 you put quets on. You say in there, even my dealers said Do me a favor. And in the other track you say I think of Junkie XL. Junkie XL. Oh, the same track. What was the moment that you thought I really have to do something With my girlfriend?
Speaker 3:To be honest, already quite a long time ago, say in 2005 During the recording of Igerwereld, I really touched a psychologist. I saw things literally fly that were not true and then I knew this is a fake bull. I was also pulled by the bell.
Speaker 1:Did you see that yourself, or were people around you? No, I saw it myself. I saw it myself.
Speaker 3:It was also an extreme situation. And then I saw it In panic. My mother called. She didn't even know that I was smoking cigarettes or shekis smoking, and then she said it's not going well and she said you have to find a way. So I went to do that and then it was going to be Stable all the time and then it went bad again and so I had to. I had to be taken up In such a clinic and five years ago I was really At a point this can't be longer. And then it went well On the one hand. But then I thought, okay, this is going well With that, so now I can Just drink or something. But that also went To anger.
Speaker 3:I couldn't keep it in my hand and it's really long it's actually been just last year. Is it going to burn light Of? Okay, I just can't use Genomic drugs. You know where people In the weekend Can do drinks and then Sunday, okay, ready, or go to work again in a month. You have to go through it with me Always, you know. So I couldn't stop and that's that's really the mark Of a sleep and I can also recognize that I'm also really. I don't have to To hide it anymore.
Speaker 3:You know what? I am Just Sleeplessly sensitive. That means that I, if I want to stay healthy, must not use anything. So no drink Must take, also not one, because that's the thing I take a beer or something that may go well, but then I think it went well last week. Drunk two beers, nothing in hand. I think I can now go again, and then two weeks later, I think On a Wednesday. Last week it went well.
Speaker 3:You know Before you know it, and that's already Often happens With falling and up when now it is really clear so now I can also Really work on it that I have to do Really weekly Work to To stay in recovery, so to say.
Speaker 1:And what was the reason that you became a doctor?
Speaker 3:Also above, yes, I I think for myself Also as a kind of stock Behind the door Of you know, that I I have now I heard that that I can also do Sneaky things, and that is the second point Of me Was very sneaky With everything you know, very lying and keeping the screen Laughed while I Really went inside Was really Unconfident. Unconfident, not much self-confidence, and I know what happens when I go back in there. Then I get all that shit back, you know, I will be sure again. You know the tension the whole day. So then throwing it open is the smaller chance for me to do it again.
Speaker 3:And the second reason the idea that there are a lot of people and already there are not those people they know, people in their family or in their friends' circle who experience the same thing as me. So I hope to be able to show a kind of support point that they are not the only ones who suffer from their sleep, but that there is also a way to restel, you know, and that I can be there for them in that need, you know. So I get a lot of reactions on Instagram or DMs. I actually like it very much that you are open here and it also puts me on the thought how did you get that? You know you have tips or advice for that and of course, I am not a psychologist, but I have advice about what I have done myself and what it works for, you know.
Speaker 1:And what advice would you give someone?
Speaker 3:I would actually give advice like that to take meetings. You know the meetings you see in American movies in such a circle, you know it's always fun to see because I saw it very often. I don't know it at all and I went there for the first time last year. I didn't know what happened to me. People who just throw their shit on the table, who just keep it completely hidden. You know, my girlfriend herself knows a lot of things that I can do at the meetings. You know About painful things you have done. In that time where you really feel ashamed, you know, but you just throw it out, there is a burden falling off, you know. Then you really feel lighter, you know. You think, oh, it's gone, Because this is something I have been doing for years and what I am not allowed to do. So you keep that in your body, what you also keep sleeping in your stomach.
Speaker 1:I mean and by being booked open.
Speaker 3:You get that toxic shit out of your body. You know which can make you clean and stay away from it and that is all good for your recovery. So you take meetings, you try to throw it open in a way, you know, or at least go and seek help. That's really important and you are not weak when you seek help you know, everyone needs help. It's just very strong when you say I can't anymore you know, I need help.
Speaker 3:Can you help me? And I have been with you for the first years. You have been with me for a long time, but it's not necessary. I do have luck. I have a good life. I am finally able to come back to this many years. I don't just have luck. I need people. I need things that help me stay clean. So those are really the tips I give now.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm glad you're so open about that, because I think that many people do this but maybe think, oh, I'm the only one, or you know that it's not like that, for example, you as a rapper that it can't be done.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly exactly as long as everyone can touch it. Everyone can touch it, everyone can overcome it. You know, and actually I think that everyone is very vulnerable to slavery and in itself it's not a problem. Look, if you're slaves to CDs or to music or you're slaves to sneakers, it's not really bad for your health or something and for your spirit. Because that too Well for your portfolio. Well for your portfolio. That can be your shit. That can be your spirit Shit. No money, I don't want to get that shoe. But, yes, spirit-free means like drinking and drugs. That fuck really goes with your body, but especially with your spirit. That was with me then and that I couldn't see more sharp, couldn't see more bright. At some point I also got a scar, like hey, is it about me?
Speaker 3:You know, those kinds of things. It's all, it's all very close things, because then you're going to keep people in the wall while actually yes, while actually yes you. It's not really about me. That's what I can see now. But if you're going to think about it in your sick spirit, say, because slavery is really sick, then you're not going to trust that one anymore, while he's the best with your ancestors. You know, you get very strange, weird situations where you ultimately cut your own fingers with it. To put it like that, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:But in any case, it's nice to see that you're just fit now. Yes, man, you look good. Thank you, yes, but that's really.
Speaker 3:That's where I'm really grateful for it's exactly what I say. I feel stronger than ever, physically and mentally. You know I was in sports school. I was pushing, you know, I think, 60 kilos. I was pushing three sets. You know, within a year, just 80, with easy, you know, and squats and so on. You know, working on yourself but then also getting mentally stronger and I really feel 23 now you know it's really bizarre.
Speaker 3:I just said before we went to the interview. You know eating in a barrenambe, but I'm really experiencing that now. Yes, yes, that's good for me. How often are you doing? I try four times, but mostly three times. It's really. It's too difficult for planning. I have to find a hole. Every time I find a hole, I'm going to do it, anyway.
Speaker 1:Three times, yes man, nice man, wonderful, yes, man, thank you. I don't want to be a ghost, but a ghost of my what For my cross.
Speaker 3:Yes, I don't want to be a ghost, but I want to be a ghost for my cross, exactly.
Speaker 1:And that's why you actually want to say that you're an example, that you're an example for your children, exactly.
Speaker 3:An example, indeed, and just literally. You know, I don't want to be a spoke that is half and half, you know, although I'm not necessarily with my head somewhere else, but I really want to be the greatest of all times for my children, you know, and that sentence, that line you're taking out, that's the best line of the record. You know, that's really the line that says everything, that everything is a reflection of how I'm living now and so after my children, you know, but also after myself, because I don't want to be the kind of person who feels like a spoke to me, you know, who kind of like a ghost wandering around, but really want to be the greatest of all times, but for my cross, you know, yes, also for myself, Because the greatest of all times for myself is the best version of myself. So, yes, you get exactly the right line. Yes, right.
Speaker 1:You also say that you can't do anything from a book. But when did you finish your job?
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm also asking myself this question. So you're in front of the block. Yes, the job is done. I think if I can give my children the feeling and also the real feeling that it's completely open, that they can always come to me with everything, all their shit, always with me, that they don't have to do anything for themselves or have to keep something for themselves because they don't have the feeling that they can talk to me, yes, yes, I want to add that that's something that I learned from home how you didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1:You know, your brother.
Speaker 3:I don't want to go too much into it. That's just too much, but that's something I learned from. Okay, I'm not going to do this. You know, I want them to be unrepentant with everything, all their shit. To be able to come to me, you always have to be like this. You have to be fucking original, that I'm always there for them. Then they're done for I think, for me. You know, I don't care what happens. It can be that they go wrong. You know wrong path. If things were fucked up, I would think, fuck, I didn't do my best. I think that you're going to doubt your parents about it, but if they can still be right with me with that shit and you know, like yo dad, I didn't do things that I couldn't then I think it's over, you know, yes, it's a very difficult question indeed, but if you think that's so famous maybe you've thought for yourself then it's over then it's good.
Speaker 3:Exactly, I think that's it. You know, when I think about it, that's the thing that I'm always there for them.
Speaker 1:But that's what. I'm also a father, I have two children, and I also notice that you're also going to ask for things from your own youth. Yes, man, what was I when I didn't do well, and how did I feel about it? And I'm going to make sure that I don't have that again.
Speaker 3:Exactly exactly. But on the other hand, that also. Oh shit, man. This is what my parents did very well with me.
Speaker 3:Because I always thought fuck man, why do I have things that I had to be at home at the time. But really at the time, you know what I'm saying? Shit man, at some point it was a promise you can go to the city, but you have to be at home for one hour. I can just stay at home, because one hour starts shit. They also say, yes, you stay at home, right? So shit, I had to go to the city very early to have a nice evening. But then I look back and think, yes, that was good for me at the time, because I know for sure that I would be a different sport, you know, because I was not in my youth either. Yeah, but thank god, guys, I go bad Around.
Speaker 3:The time of puberty, I think many people went to the wrong side. Luckily, they came back to the path, but those were things that my parents had been through for a long time, so they were also so strict. Just small things, not to say that my children will do that too, but to see how they are in that lifetime. I came back to the idea that it is not really simple. I thought that this would be tight rules. You can watch TV at home. I had the idea that they could watch TV for half an hour, but sometimes they watch TV for two hours. I know that.
Speaker 3:Exactly, but I think that it can be very difficult. It is a bit like choose your battles at home. It is very nice, but also difficult sometimes, and every child is different.
Speaker 1:You can not do everything the way you did at the first grade or the second grade.
Speaker 2:Exactly it is always different.
Speaker 3:It is more fun to watch. It is funny that I was the first to do that. I was not allowed to call it a replica, but the same character as the first. After two weeks I realized that it is very different. It is also very different from the first, and that is different, different things, different things, different things.
Speaker 1:What is a life lesson that your children would like to share with you? That they could always remember you when they think back. That is what your father always said, I think that.
Speaker 3:If you ask me now I think about my life. I was on the port. I was fired because I stayed two years behind my husband. I was fired because I had to leave. I worked a year after that. My husband said it is fine if you go to school, but you have worked a year now you are going to study here. You pay for yourself. I thought if I ever get my MBA, I will do HBO, I will finish it. But then I was in second grade. I just got a job.
Speaker 3:In the morning we were on a day off from school to the city. We looked at each other and said we are going to make music, we are going to put everything in the music city, our heart and soul. So short, long short. Follow your dream. Study is important, no doubt, but if you really have a passion for something, you will see it and you will be able to achieve it. Follow your dream. If you don't do it, you will be fired. If you do it and it is going up, you have not tried it. That is my lesson to you.
Speaker 1:The track I find the most hard on this album is David Attenborough, together with Styx. A super hard beat. Shout out to Glam for that beat you will hear it again. You all came super hard. There are a few lines I want to explain To see what the thought behind it is. To start with the Beave with the man.
Speaker 3:I had not seen the security team two years ago. They saved me. The story was that the man was standing up in the crowd. There was a stage on the side where the audience could not see us, but we could sit and check the show. At some point, a chick came up to me and said I can't stand it, you are stepping on my head. I was like get on your head. I was on the stage, but maybe I was lucky.
Speaker 3:I was completely forgotten after the show I thought I would go to the dressing room and take a picture with the man. Then a friend came up to me. He looked at me and said I wouldn't go in. I said the man is very weird. What is his name? The chick came up to me. The man came up to me and said Are you stepping on my head?
Speaker 2:The friend said Are you stepping on my head?
Speaker 3:The woman on the stage was standing on the back of the stage. The man was standing on his head. The woman was standing on the stage.
Speaker 2:I was like what.
Speaker 3:The man was very hyped. After the show he was very quiet. Then the security came up to me. I said we are going in. I didn't want to go to the dressing room. I went home. I was told by the security that I wouldn't go in. If he came to you, he would come to me. The next day I went to the front page with the man. It was a very strange situation. I couldn't go in, otherwise I would have been very angry with him. I had to explain in English that I didn't want to go in. My intention was to go on his head. He stepped on my head. It was a strange story. I told him too much?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I was very curious. I didn't ask him at first.
Speaker 3:I saw the security yesterday. Did you have any more strange?
Speaker 1:stories from that backstage.
Speaker 3:No, no, I had some funny stories. The funny thing was that I had a great mindset, you know, great mindset. I did a few shows with him. He said I can join you, but I did one first. I did it with Hooded Plank. I went with him for one first. I had to perform in Dave's. I was hyped I could do the first. I was in the show. I was in the show with Hard and Flammen. I was on stage. I didn't see that it was the end of the stage. I was just watching the audience. They were just coming in and they were pulling me out of the stage. You only had one job to do.
Speaker 3:And then you just fell off the stage. You could do your thing.
Speaker 1:Was it cool?
Speaker 3:I don't know if it was recorded.
Speaker 1:Otherwise I would have been a YouTuber.
Speaker 3:No, you should have known. It was really exciting. I was in the show. He pulled me out of the stage. I thought, shit, I have to do one first. But backstage, all those years, everything happened. We had a lot of drinks and people were crazy, but there were very few groups. We had a lot of friends. We were monogamous.
Speaker 2:How do?
Speaker 3:you say monogamous Just trust, Trust yes. We were just trust. When we came back, we weren't the guys who thought, hey, you know, and yes, not really.
Speaker 1:Another line that was recorded was that Stik said Riko is the one who is rapping. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:That's always said. We met at Henoam on the street. He said you have a total package, you rap, delivery and flow. He didn't have that yet. That's the reason why he said Riko is rapping, but he could rap for a long time. So I think it's a big compliment that he says something. I understand what he meant. He was 3-4 years younger. I think he was 15 years old. When you hear all the first things, you still hear that he was developing. I was already. I don't want to say anything further than that, but on a point where I already had a total package or that it just went wrong. Naturally, two or three years later he was really on the edge he was under control.
Speaker 3:I think he learned a lot from me in the first two years, but the name was also just finished. I couldn't learn anything from him, but I think it's really cool what he said. And the funny thing is that I also want to mention something I knew the sort of I don't know if it's smooth the hustler Trigger, the Gambler track. I had that from David Adamborough, the Stam and the Flow.
Speaker 1:The Adam and the Stoneman's Tote, the Dammetown.
Speaker 3:So I think Sticks is going to take over. I thought I want to write a fire, cool man. But he had recorded the track back then. Because they didn't record it together, it wasn't the time for it. And then he comes in with, oh, effortless, the flow, effortless. I just take him very calm. So I always had the first moment of mother fucker. I hoped you would take over him. I'm the Sticks, the Dammetown, and I put the flow effortless. And then I listen to the fire. I think, wow, no problem.
Speaker 3:How he takes it up like that and then the beat murder. That's cool. And that competition, that friendship, competition we always had. I'm a support, but I'm a support so I'm very calm. He came up with a double flow a reggae beat I thought why are you doing this? Why are you so busy with the beat? But then I listened to him three times and I thought shit, you're not doing this, you're just taking it differently than you expected from a beat?
Speaker 1:Did you have the feeling that SticksKran came with a verse and you thought, oh no, I have to write my own verse on the news?
Speaker 3:Of course I'm going to lie down, because he's very often busy with the studio. He's been busy with the beginning of the year the beginning of the year and he's still writing a lot of papers At least he's still writing. I'm writing a lot of things with my phone, but when you're walking by and a sneaky guy is checking, his bars.
Speaker 1:What's his?
Speaker 3:name. I read it and I thought that's my hard bars. You know what I'm going to think about, and that you're going to be a part of the verse and you're going to sweat and I have to write it again.
Speaker 1:Have you ever talked about SticksKran? Are you going to do something together? Just a project, or is that really small?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, we could do that. We never talked about it. But if the energy is on the same level and the pairs cross each other, then it doesn't matter. I think he's the same as we say that summer can be that we write together about a year or somewhere else. It's like you know each other so well that at some point you don't have much to tell. Everyone is going their own way, I'm going my own way, but if you have spoken less intensively, then, you might have a lot to connect which can create something nice, and I see that happen.
Speaker 1:Nice. I'm curious. You've done a lot of great things solo request, on-call, faco Brigade but what's your bucket list when it comes to your musical career? Or have you done something like that? I've done everything.
Speaker 3:I've done everything but in the sense of, you know, with shows and shows or big-time, I mean also small-time, it's very dope. But a ziggodome was also a real high-time. You know 14,000, 15,000 people you know standing in a room with typhoons and rico-sticks. The show came to check Through albums. I've now really got that 100% energy to continue with music. I've never had the feeling of I'm going to quit. Sometimes those raps, my last shit and then we'll come back.
Speaker 3:I know that you'll come back you're not going to do it anymore, but I've never had that, but it was the last time I was on a wave of flames Not the fact that it could take that vibe until it started to go well with the beats and everything, but really bucket list stuff. I'd like to think that it's cool to build tracks with a big orchestra, but I think it's really cool, but you shouldn't have to come up with that. It's the last one with 101 bars right.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be a red-boy, I'm going to win.
Speaker 3:I'm going to be like oh cool I wasn't a yellow-boy, but I really like it to see.
Speaker 2:It's cool.
Speaker 3:But I can always do it. Yes, that's why. That's why Something like that seems fun to do. I also thought back for years. I never go on a live band. That's not hip-hop you know I saw the Roots with a live band especially those drums super tight.
Speaker 3:I thought it can sound cool and eventually I started working with bands and formations. So I want to say that I don't want to frame anything or work in a certain area. I'm open for everything. If it's just cool, I'm going to like it. But what it is, I can't call it that is what I'm going to expand in the future.
Speaker 1:But the fire has woken you up again, that you're just.
Speaker 3:Yes, 100%, anyway, full flame. I feel good and what I just told you, the cards are gone in my mindset. You know the world is all open, so there's so much to do and to find. And, what's funny, I saw an interview with Khalees, who is a singer but also a producer or anything, but he's completely switched to cooking. You know your chef now and they're also like yes, music is something you can create, but people can find it cool or it's not their taste, but that's just. You can't say that music is bad. They say they eat, but it can be really bad. It can be really bad. I'm cool.
Speaker 3:That's why it's so difficult for Khalees to cook well, and there's a new challenge in that. I thought, wow, man, that's great. It doesn't have to be all per se music. It can be something completely different and that's what I see happen. I can totally distort it, or distort it and go for it. That's what makes it so big and so many things to do, to see, to experience, that. I don't exclude anything from that. I think, wow, that's where I can find my passion.
Speaker 1:I want to thank you for this interview. Thank you. It's great that you want to catch us here here in Zwolle. For the people at home, go check this art and enjoy.